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"All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth." Aristotle - Greek Philosopher.

Sunday, February 05, 2006

Report Card on Global Response to Mohammed Cartoons

From Public Figures...Beware. Click on the title to see WHY we are graded the way we are.

Danish government: A+
Danish people: A+

French government: A-
French people: C+

Norwegian government: F
Norwegian people: B+

German government: A
German people: A

Dutch, Icelandic and Hungarian governments: B
Dutch, Icelandic and Hungarian people: B

Italian government: B
Italian people: B+

Swiss government: B
Swiss people: A

Spanish government: B
Spanish people: B-

British Labour Party: F
British Tories: A
British people: C-

Belgian government: B
Belgian people: B+

Finnish government: D
Finnish people: C-

Bulgarian government: B
Bulgarian people: B

Swedish government: B
Swedish people: D

American government: D
American people: C-

Indonesian government: D-
Indonesian people; D-

Jordanian government: F
Jordanian people: D

Canadian government: B
Canadian people: C+

New Zealand government: B
New Zealand people: B-

Can I say that I'm not at all happy with my own government's response to this? I said that already? I spoke with a couple of people down at the neighborhood store last night and neither one of them was even aware of the cartoons or the protest in London. Yikes.

H/T Release the Hounds.

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34 Comments:

Blogger Mike's America said...

Great post... will it be here long?

Mine keep disappearing.

05 February, 2006 00:46  
Blogger MonicaR said...

I hope this is working now. Can't believe I was able to recover this lost entry - it was a total fluke the way it happened.

05 February, 2006 00:48  
Blogger MamaGeph said...

Blogger's been on the fritz all day. Grr.

05 February, 2006 01:01  
Blogger samwich said...

Provoking an enemy isn't a prudent action during a war.

As much as I'd like muslims to glow during the day from nuclear radiation, inflaming them won't help.

They aren't going to go away. They are attempting to conquer. I go with Patton's advice, make sure the other guy dies for his cause.

S

05 February, 2006 02:52  
Blogger Alison said...

Great post. Mine disappeared. Spooky. Blogger isnt working properly. There has been a tonne of stuff on this today in the sunday reviews and all of it great blog fodder. So annoying!

Samwich - this has woken the liberals up to the enemy within. This is why the moderate muslims here are going ape now over those protests. I mean on the one hand theyre all insulted at Mo in a bomb turban. Then out come all the nutters and demonstrate (ha ha) the cartoonists point. You couldnt dream it up.

Finally the Conservatives found a spine and are pressing the police to arrest them. They use CCTV in demos so its not like they dont know who these people are.

(Sorry i couldnt continue the fun on ATW but England were beating wales in the rugby ;).

05 February, 2006 06:33  
Blogger tshsmom said...

GREAT links Monica! So happy to see our citizens waking up to the danger of Islam.
I couldn't even get on blogger last night.

05 February, 2006 08:01  
Blogger DV said...

Monica,

Yeah, great post, fascinating reading

05 February, 2006 09:37  
Blogger Alison said...

Just watching on tv large and angry protests taking place in Belgium. Really nasty looking. When they update a newsite ill post a link.

Your London Correspondent! ;)

05 February, 2006 14:39  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Samwich - I don't think we are provoking them - they're just fragging crazy. They have to go. One way or another they have to go.

tshsmom - I know. I don't know that too many are waking up but possibly a few more are. When I bring this up in the neighborhood (cartoons - riots) most have no idea what I'm talking about. The ones who do have an idea are aware of the embassy burnings but not of the riots in London and now Belgium apparently.

Alison - PLEASE provide any info on the Belgium riot when you can and thanks. We're blind here! BLIND!! No information coming through regular news outlets. WHY?! Why aren't they informing the American public?!

06 February, 2006 00:21  
Blogger samwich said...

Go Seabuzzards! I'm 26 miles NE of Seattle.
Don't provoke them: Follow Patton's advice, let them die for their cause!

S

06 February, 2006 00:41  
Blogger Alison said...

http://www.lalibre.be/article.phtml?id=10&subid=90&art_id=267004

The article/link briefly translated as 'a demo was organised by around 4000 youths. It was organised by text messages with a rendez vous point for hundreds who then gathered to protest 'For the Prophet'. En route it gained momentum and numbers but passed off without incident ending outside the tv station HQs.

In London The Sun have printed a picture of the man in the bomb belt and demanded arrests. He has come forward and said he will do it again and doesnt know what all the fuss is about and that he was not condoning terrorism. Lol. Click on the 'Nick Him' article.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/section/0,,2,00.html

And in Turkey an Italian priest has been murdered. Shot but 'noone knows why'. I think the rest you must be picking up eg 4 deaths in protests, etc etc.

Will blog more later if i can at MH.

06 February, 2006 09:27  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

PebblePie linked to a CNN poll and 91% said Europe shouldn't have reprinted the cartoons.

I don't mind being sensitive to others' beliefs; but I hate being coerced into doing so, by threat of violence, and by people who don't express tolerance in their own actions. If Jesus and Moses are also so revered by Muslims, where was the rioting outrage when their likenesses were made? And lampooned far worse than any cartoons on Mohammed?

Also, something Prager brought up: a ban on depicting Mohammed makes sense, as it extends to believers; but how is it, that this also extends to nonbelievers? Shouldn't it only apply to those who believe? If not, then every religion can impose its will on everyone outside of itself. It's crazy!

06 February, 2006 15:04  
Blogger The Sparky said...

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06 February, 2006 15:41  
Blogger The Sparky said...

The average non PC Brit thinks they are great laugh and are not scared of these so-called new Brits. They think it’s all a load of bollocks that our very righteous New Labour government won’t protect free speech OR EXPRESSION! But why would they, they are the implementers of what George Orwell wrote about in his book 1984. It has already starting here with their attack on free speech.

Two things New Labour are worried about loosing even more support from Britain’s inner city and towns where the new Brits have sent up shop. New Labour hopes by bending over backwards in appeasement that they won’t loose these areas votes wise! They are also scared that these nuts who should be sent packing, will form secret cells and start another round of suicide bombing like our British born Pakistanis and the West Indian Muslims undertook back in July of last year.

So much for the left-wing lost dream of multiculturalism! The government here in lots of European countries have lost the nerve and ability to carry out the ago old adage ‘THAT WHEN IN ROME’!

Anyway we now know they can’t laugh at themselves. Old Dave Allen the Irish comedian used poke fun something rotten at the Catholic Church and the pope. (I believe he was a Christian/Catholic)

06 February, 2006 15:47  
Blogger tshsmom said...

Allison, according to the paper, the priest was shot by a 14 yr old Muslim boy. They're not sure yet if the cartoons were the motive.

06 February, 2006 17:24  
Blogger Tom C said...

Enjoyed the link, Monica.

06 February, 2006 21:23  
Blogger ric ottaiano said...

thanks for the link to my site! keep up the good work...

06 February, 2006 21:41  
Blogger Cubed © said...

"I spoke with a couple of people down at the neighborhood store last night and neither one of them was even aware of the cartoons or the protest in London."

Griz, SURELY you gest! But then, we have all heard Sean Hannity's "college student on the street" interviews and have said the same thing.

P.S.--I tried to post a couple of days ago, and couldn't get up. . . Here comes the acid test!

07 February, 2006 17:55  
Blogger Chas said...

Great post Monica!

Cubed, We jest not. There is a news blackout here. MSM doesn't want to admit Bush is right! My paper on Sunday had a small blurb about "protests" in Syria, then said "even some Europeans demonstrated in London." LOL Europeans???? NOT.

Monica, FYI, Muslimah's baaaaack.

07 February, 2006 18:45  
Blogger Cubed © said...

Oops. "Jest," of course, not "gest." But on the other hand, WHOOPEE! Here I am!

Samwich,

One of our biggest legal/stragegic/tactical problems is the fact that we haven't declared war officially since WWII. A formal declaration of war carries with it certain substantial differences in how we would be able to deal with events and people who behave in a manner inimial to our well being.

The leaks, the comments from the far left, surveillance of potential enemies, etc. would all be dealt with very differently if our PC policy-makers had the guts to name the enemy (Islam) and to fight it appropriately (PLEASE see Ralph Peter's "When Devils Walk the Earth," Part III, where there are 25 cardinal points we need to follow when dealing with ANY enemy, if we are truly in the conflict with the goal of winning.

Peter's advice dovetails nicely with Patton's advice--I think you'd like it.

Re: The Hawks--OK, the refs won this one, but it was a good practice session. . .

Alison,

"Then out come all the nutters and demonstrate (ha ha) the cartoonists point. You couldnt dream it up."

Isn't it great? These turkeys don't have a CLUE! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Tshsmom,

"So happy to see our citizens waking up to the danger of Islam."

Yes, yes, YES! Islam couldn't have done a better job of letting our PC buddies know about what they're really like if they'd hired an upscale ad agency!

Monicar,

(in response to Samwich) "I don't think we are provoking them - they're just fragging crazy. They have to go. One way or another they have to go."

Yes! Yes, YES! They are ALWAYS functioning just below the level of full blown riots--they are ALWAYS "enraged," they are ALWAYS "humiliated" (and they are so EASY to "humiliate"--a term they don't even use properly), they are ALWAYS "oppressed," yadda-yadda, blat-blat. It never ends, which is the reason they must--end, that is. So long as Islam exists, the unremitting temper tantrums will too. It wouldn't be so bad if, like the two-year-olds they so closely resemble, they didn't have 1) money and 2) technology, both from the west.


BTW, you are all probably familiar with the "stages of grief" that people tend to go through--denial, anger, etc.

Here's something you may find encouraging. Some years ago (can't remember when or where) a similar study was done on responses to threats. The first stage was fear, and as that was dealt with, one of the downstream stages was ridicule (of the source of the threat).

To me, it looks as if we are beginning to transition to that stage.

Sooo--in this "cartoon war" that our bud Ahmadinejad has declared on the West, who do you think is going to come out on top? After all, it was The Grand Poobah Komeini, also from Iran, who proclaimed: "Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. . .There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam."

LET THE RIDICULE BEGIN!

Oh--and BUY DANISH!

07 February, 2006 18:57  
Blogger Gina said...

well the culprit of the cartoon is one of their own and he is a danish national .. but by all means a muslim , I have just posted all about it on my blog ... I cant believe they will accuse the Israels or the jews , did they really think we are that gulible .

07 February, 2006 20:46  
Blogger Sprittibee said...

Thanks Griz. As usual, you and Danny have to keep me up on the news. I am so bad. My husband reads through the news on the net every morning and shares bits and pieces, but we don't have TV, and when I am not out and about in the vehicle with my AM stations on, we pretty much stick to our homeschooling/homemaking in ignorant bliss. I have heard about this incident and it made me sick to see the Lebanon riots the other day on streaming video. It seems the religion of "peace" is showing some true colors.

07 February, 2006 23:59  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Thank you all for visiting - Troll and I were painting the kitchen today - BLLLLELEEEEECCHH. It's done though and the ceiling fan is clean (!) and so is the top of the fridge. (!!)

Cubed - swear to God it's true. Now I've heard that the Philadelphia Inquirer is the first US paper to print the cartoons - you could knock me over with a feather right now at THAT news. Still not alot on the London whacks, but saw something on FoxNews about the Belgium whacks. BTW - I got your email and I will be putting something up about that soon - thanks. Interesting about the stages of grief -- I hadn't thought of applying it to threats. Surely 9/11 felt like a personal attack to me as it did to so many Americans and I know for SURE that it affected me deeply. Things changed irrevocably. (for me anyway) How about anger? I'm pretty pissed off right now.

Sparky I am happy to see the spirit of the Brits which has been shrouded by that government and PC intelligentsia of yours. You make a good point about humor. Raised Irish Catholic myself and I love a good Catholic joke and every Irish joke I've heard has given me a laugh. Even the Catholic Church makes an effort (as bad as it is) at introspection and is open to atleast hearing complaints and answering to them. They don't behead you atleast...that's something anyway. I got YOUR email too and will be responding soon.

I agree Wordsmith and quite frankly the muslims can kiss my ass. I'm tired of this stuff coming from them right now. It makes me WANT to make a cartoon of Mo - which is something I wouldn't normally want to do.

Thanks Tom and Ric for coming by. Tom - I hope that Stevie has left. He is a mess - just a MESS!

CH - you know that I am a quiet and shy type of person who normally doesn't like to rock the boat - but if I say anything to muslimah it will be 'KISS MY ASS!' She is a NASTY little jihadist with her threats and her..well....just plum bullshit.

Gina - I will be over on my rounds to see your new entry.

Sprittibee honey - you KNOW I know how THAT goes. I don't have the TV on all day, can't stand the newspapers. We are constantly busy and if I have a moment it's time to sort socks, do dishes, vacuum, cook, dust(rarely..) or run to some activity with the kids. Really though even with TV and newsprint you would still be in the dark. The only way I know anything at all is due to my nightly internet rounds. That takes a couple of hours, too. It's a lot of work trying to get some news and different views on it. (These muslims - they're always torching things. It's unhealthy. They torched the office in Egypt because they are understandably upset about the ferry accident. You just can't continue to set fires to stuff all the time like that.) Thanks for visiting!

08 February, 2006 01:27  
Blogger tshsmom said...

My thoughts exactly Cubed! They put BOTH feet in their proverbial mouths.
The stages of grief is an interesting slant. I'm with Monica; when does the rage start?

08 February, 2006 16:33  
Blogger "Alice" said...

Pretty damn sad when Canada has higher grades than both the US and the UK. Goes to show that both of these countries are aiming for THE VOTE. Shame on them.

10 February, 2006 04:38  
Blogger Alan_McDonald said...

"Alice"

Not so fast with that praise of Canada. You see, there are two problems with "The Report Card."

First, a grade of B for a country only means that at the time of posting by Public Figures Beware that country had not yet taken a position.

Second, PFB and Grizzly Mama did not read the following from yesterday's Toronto Globe & Mail.

Cartoons caused offence, Ottawa says. While MacKay condemns violence, he calls for better understanding of Islam

Weighing in on its first international crisis, Canada's Conservative government says it will try to promote a better understanding of Islam in response to violent protests against controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that show no signs of abating.

"The publication of the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed has caused offence to Muslims and non-Muslims around the world and in Canada," Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay said yesterday.

10 February, 2006 09:01  
Blogger Gina said...

samwhich I agree with you , and by the way , your greek recipe's you were looking for are up , and so is another post about what muslims want ... I say we need to deport them all before its too late ..

10 February, 2006 09:15  
Blogger Gina said...

Grizzly mammam

All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth." Aristotle - Greek Philosopher.





And that is why he was executed. In modern terms Socrates was a royalist and preferred dictatorships. The Athenians preferred oligarchy and democracy. They established that but Socrates preached the old ways to his young pupils. And that is why they offed him.

10 February, 2006 15:10  
Blogger Anna said...

Good post! Wow, I was working last night, so I suppose it was a good thing because I obviously missed the blogger issues. (thinking about mu.nu)

The number of papers here not printing the cartoons while yelling about freedom of the press and their right to know the details about NSA just kills me!

10 February, 2006 23:44  
Blogger MonicaR said...

First, a grade of B for a country only means that at the time of posting by Public Figures Beware that country had not yet taken a position.

This is absolutely NOT the way I understood it Alan.

A 'B' grade is quite good and it is my impression that it is earned by the government making a stand for freedom of the press and free speech.

I think what Canada's government has put out is Weenie, Weenie, Weenie GALORE! Talk about not having the balls to say what SHOULD be said which is: 'Although many in the world find what someone else says about the religion they may practice offensive - it is not a reason to burn things uncontrollably, threaten persons with beheading and a new holocaust, or knife persons to death while they are riding their bicycle in a free country. We do not condemn the press when any other religion is poked fun at and we will not condemn the press now. We stand by freedom of speech without reservation.'

It is also my impression that no response at all from a government is probably better than a weenie-fied apologetic response.

Now that the the Philadelphia Inquirer has actually printed one of the cartoons I wonder if the grade of the US citizens will change? It is possible and I know that the author of the blog linked to was making updates periodically.

If you ask me the response from the US was appalling both from the government AND the press. Weenies, Weenies, Weenies GALORE! The Inquirer printing the cartoon earns some sort of point but it was too little too late in my opinion especially since we have seen very little of muslim misbehavior in Europe and Britain in response to the cartoons.

Thank you for that snippet of information, Gina and thank you for helping my friend Samwich with the recipe.

I totally agree Rosie. And I have to add that Blogger has been giving me quite a few problems today - hence my slow response to your comments.

11 February, 2006 01:26  
Blogger Alan_McDonald said...

GM,

Good morning!

When I said:
First, a grade of B for a country only means that at the time of posting by Public Figures Beware that country had not yet taken a position.

You replied:
This is absolutely NOT the way I understood it Alan.

A 'B' grade is quite good and it is my impression that it is earned by the government making a stand for freedom of the press and free speech.


So, I went back to the Report Card which includes the following grades with explanations:

The Netherlands, Iceland and Hungary: I could not locate any official government responses. The funny thing is, no response is the correct response. Why even dignify such stupidity?

Dutch, Icelandic and Hungarian governments: B

Israeli government: B (no response that I've seen)

New Zealand government: B
The government has rightly been silent.


I guess I should let the Public Figures Beware know that Canada is no longer silent and that they need to lower the grade from a B:

Canada: UPDATE No word from the government.

Canadian government: B

11 February, 2006 08:14  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh okay. Thanks Alan.

11 February, 2006 11:54  
Blogger Alan_McDonald said...

GM,

Has the storm hit yet?

Another Report Card update, this time from New Zealand, which is still listed as a B. Check out this news item, Helen Clark [New Zealand Prime Minister] says cartoon issue not freedom of press issue, from February 6.

Helen Clark says the New Zealand government's position is very strongly in favour of respecting all religions and working to bring communities together, not drive them apart.

New Zealand and Jordan are the only countries outside Europe to publish the caricatures.

The Prime Minister says the decision by the Dominion Post and Christchurch Press to print them seems gratuitous.


Later in the article:

An international relations expert is concerned that all of society is being blamed for the decision to publish.

Otago University's Robert Patman says the press of course has freedom. However he says with that freedom goes responsibility. He says the government's disapproval of the publication could prevent any unrest in New Zealand.

11 February, 2006 12:05  
Blogger MonicaR said...

They're all a bunch of scared weenies.

11 February, 2006 12:43  

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