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Grizzly Mama

There's a Grizzly who has escaped the City of Brotherly Love..(and she's going back to homeschooling!!)

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"All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth." Aristotle - Greek Philosopher.

Saturday, November 05, 2005

Are You Worried Yet?

It's the 9th Circuit Court of Moonbats AGAIN.

"There is no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children...Parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."

Apparently parents were informed of a 'baseline exposure to early trauma' questionnaire given by the Palmdale School District to FIRST, THIRD and FIFTH grade students. When the parents discovered what was ON the questionnaire they were very upset! Here's an example of what the school district deemed appropriate to ask kids as young as 6 years old. The children were to rate the following activities:

8. Touching my private parts too much
17. Thinking about having sex
22. Thinking about touching other people’s private parts
23. Thinking about sex when I don’t want to
26. Washing myself because I feel dirty on the inside
34. Not trusting people because they might want sex
40. Getting scared or upset when I think about sex
44. Having sex feelings in my body
47. Can’t stop thinking about sex
54. Getting upset when people talk about sex

Well - the parents sued the school district and lost. You see the quote above - given by the vaunted 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

It's time to be alarmed - be very alarmed!

Grizzly Mama TRIED to tell ya - but ya didn't want to listen. I TRIED to tell you that the all knowing state is usurping your rights as a parent. Time to get off your ass. The bureaucratic daycare that you've put your children into (with the all important 'socialization' that goes on there) has extended it's ugly tentacles into your rights as a parent. Your precious few hours of solitude is coming at an extra high price for all of us.

Hat tip Anthroblogogy.


Just saw this reported on FoxNews. I caught the headline and then went zooming off in another direction. (That's the life of a home educator!!) I'm looking for reports on this elsewhere.

It's all over the place now. EVERYONE seems to be talking about it.



Blogger alix said...

lemme at 'em, lemme at 'em!

05 November, 2005 11:21  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Alix! Where ya been, twinnie?

Good to hear from you again.

05 November, 2005 12:02  
Blogger The Sparky said...

Talk about overstepping the mark! You’ll have to fill the state schools with Muslims school children, they would not dare try this with the followers of Islam! They only get away with it because they are not worried about upsetting the Christian values and commonsense of indigenous folk. I expect we will not be far behind this in the UK. But as I stated they will not impose this on the sensibilities certain groups!!

05 November, 2005 17:28  
Blogger Dani said...

Hi Monica, I left this same comment for you over on my blog:

So the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said there is "no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children."

Okay - this is reason #968 why we don’t send our kids to public school.

If parents are going to be lazy enough to send their kids to public school, they should not be surprised when things like this happen. Before they know it, their young girls will be taken in for an abortion without the parents even knowing (which already happens by jr.high).

These parents don't want to take the time to play an active role in their children's education, but they are quick whine and complain when they lose their rights to the government school. Are they really that shocked to find out the government doesn't give a rip about their kids, especially when it comes to something like sexuality?

Well, with all of the humanists, homos and child molesters working at the public schools, who needs parents to teach children what is right or wrong? What more is it going to take for parents to get a clue?

I guess it is so obvious to people like us, Monica - If you love your kids, pull them out of public school.

05 November, 2005 21:11  
Blogger tshsmom said...

I could understand a questionaire like this if the child was suspected of being molested. Then it should be given by a qualified psychologist. Maybe as part of health class for jrs or srs in high school; but normal, loving 6 yr olds?!! This is RIDICULOUS!!

Alix!! Glad to see you back!

06 November, 2005 11:34  
Blogger ThirDEE said...

While it's true that this was totally dispicable, kids will grow up and have to face this type of disgust. We do. I plan to protect my two angels as long as they live at home. However, as they get older, they need to be aware of the evils that are in the world. They have to learn that you don't hide from people that are "in your face" with their sick lifestyles and habits. Instead, you have to stand up and be against it. It's fine to say this type of behavior from a school board or school is outrageous. But, how many people against it are willing to be heard? Maybe all those upset have contacted these morons over at the Palmdale School Board. But, probably not.

06 November, 2005 14:23  
Blogger Gina said...

can't believe this , are they insane ?

06 November, 2005 23:00  
Blogger MonicaR said...

According to Anthroblogogy the questionnaire was given as a part of a paper being written by a college student. (atleast that's how I understand it) There was a 'volunteer' social worker questioning the kids.

The court has deemed this to be entirely appropriate but of course we as parents know better.

It's a shame so many parents believe what the public school cheerleaders say to them - that the parents DON'T know better. Now the court has backed them up on that.

What's the next step? I'm not sure what to do. Possibly writing to the school board as suggested by Thirdee.

This is one reason it is so important to get the right people on the bench.

07 November, 2005 11:16  
Blogger sandy said...

monicar, do you know what percentage of the parents sued? If it was a majority, I would think the next step would be to boycott the school. If only a small percentage protested then they probably wont get far.

07 November, 2005 22:34  
Blogger MonicaR said...

I don't know Sparky. I will see if I can get more information about it. A commentor on Anthroblogogy said that this ruling took place a couple of years ago. Everything I've found has shown it to be a very recent ruling - ie: several days ago.

I imagine that it could go to a higher court? That's the Supreme Court of the U.S. I'm no legal expert but I think that's the way it works. It depends on if the group of parents and their counsel wish to pursue that?

The US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is the most overturned Court in the land. They're crazy. California is a big part of their 'coverage' or jurisdiction - or whatever the hell it's called.

This is a loony ruling.

It IS true that parents always have the option of pulling their kids and homeschooling them - thank GOD! Many families went through hell over the last 20 years to make that right legally recognized in every state. It's a powerful thing to do. A powerful stand for a family to make.

07 November, 2005 22:59  
Blogger MonicaR said...

I'm sorry - I meant Sandy.

Hi Sparky, though!!

07 November, 2005 23:01  
Blogger Alison said...

Good point Sparks. Frigging nanny state.

08 November, 2005 10:48  
Blogger MamaGeph said...

What is really frightening is the future of the US when the kids who have grown up in this environment grow up and join society.

08 November, 2005 13:17  
Blogger MonicaR said...

I agree the Nanny State does horrible things to a country all around.

Mama Geph - homeschoolers will save the Republic! (IMHO) These kids being warehoused in the public school system are not getting the education they NEED TO SURVIVE in this world.

It's a travesty. It's a crime.

08 November, 2005 22:39  
Blogger Alison said...

Monica - id be interested to hear your pov on the UK government proposal to force state education on 3 years olds (see Tangled Web when you get a chance)

09 November, 2005 07:22  
Blogger J C said...

Great post.

The only people who can stop and change this are the parents. They need to show up at the next PTA meeting and demand a stop to this sort of thing. It should be an ultimatum and the kids should all be taken out of that school if the program isn't stopped. But there has to be action, not just talk.

09 November, 2005 10:45  
Blogger Mike's America said...

This is just another egregious example of the nanny state seeking to supplant any and all sources of authority as it moves to coalesce power for itself.

First religion, then family...

Time to wake up folks. One day it will be too late.

09 November, 2005 23:28  
Blogger "Alice" said...

If you can't homeschool, private schooling is definitely the other route. I watched a program here in the UK, asking little children about different things. One of the things was about men/men, women/women getting married; what they thought about sex, etc. These kids ranged from about six to maybe ten. It made my skin crawl.

10 November, 2005 05:53  
Blogger Thrasher said...

Holy crap!!!

"Parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students."

Sorta makes parents obsolete, doesn't it? What business does ANYONE have asking a first grader, or even a fifth grader, questions about THINKING ABOUT SEX? No wonder I know 6th graders who who've had #########.

Sheltered and proud for 11 years and counting!

10 November, 2005 19:21  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Neo - get ready, baby!

We'll be handing the baton off to you soon. You and the smart young men and women with a good education will have to hold the Republic for us.

Study hard and be good. Do the right thing. I'm sorry we left such a damnable mess. I will do everything in my power to help you.

Alice - I agree. Parents have to be careful and know what their children are being taught if they cannot or will not teach them themselves.

Mike - I hope that it is not too late.

JC - you are right. It is time we get off our asses and DO something.

11 November, 2005 01:03  
Blogger Toad734 said...

So what's wrong with Christian Pennsylvanian home schoolers? I just heard one killed 2 people and kidnapped a third. I never knew any murderers in Public School.

If I ever have kids I am going to make sure they go to school and integrate into society so someone could catch potential behavior and socialization problems such as these.

14 November, 2005 13:29  
Blogger MonicaR said...

Yeah - good one Toadie! You almost outdid yourself there.

Last time I checked the vast majority of persons incarcerated for crimes in the US were public school alumni.

So tell me, Toadie - is public school where you were 'socialized'? If that is the case please continue to remind me to steer very clear of it, k?!

14 November, 2005 20:29  
Blogger Toad734 said...

The majority in prison are also Republican and Christian. What's your point?

16 November, 2005 12:48  
Blogger MonicaR said...

The point is - you little dickhead - that homeschooling is not the cause of criminal behavior as you implied.

The point is - you dense little turd - that public schooling churns out more criminals every day than homeschoolers ever did.

In short - YOUR original argument is crap.

Don't like that, do ya?

16 November, 2005 16:27  
Blogger The Sparky said...

Now Monica, don’t go mincing your words and holding back with Toad,Let him have both barrels! LOL

17 November, 2005 18:34  
Blogger Thrasher said...

Wow Monica, I can't believe you're still trying to reason with Toad... I gave that up long ago. After all, he's the guy who thinks Christianity requires blind faith, and that it's far more feasible to say that in the beginning, there was nothing... and then get this, it EXPLODED!!!

This is the same guy that says he can't believe in God because God cannot be scientifically studied, but when confronted with issues in his beloved "Big Bang" theory, he issues the following explanation:

"Dark Matter; its there you just can't see it."

But yeah... supernatural stuff is bad, but science about things we can't observe, manipulate or measure is just great! And it proves our theory about how nothing can explode (or somehow generate something that explodes).

There is no logic in Toad's discourse. He makes himself appear jaded and abrasive because he holds some sort of grudge against Christians. He was at some point wronged by Pharisees who got more caught up in doctrine than grace, and now he holds it against all of us. Misplaced agression no doubt, and a failure on the part of Christians, but it renders him incapable of reasonable dialogue when dealing with Worldview issues. After all, even in his hypocrisy regarding faith and science, in his eyes, he is no worse than Christians, too many of whom truly are hypocrites.

I sympathize with him; at the same time though, the hate he spews is inexcusable. It is understandable, but inexcusable. Sad, yes, but when he rails against the "intolerant" or "ignorant" Christians, he is becoming the very thing he decries. We can only hope that one day he realizes this.

RE: The Republic...

And we, in turn, are doing all we can to be ready for it. Let it not be said of us that we were the generation of good men who did nothing.

Or worse, that we were simply the last generation of good men.

21 November, 2005 14:29  
Blogger MonicaR said...

God bless you Neo. You are a fine young man.

21 November, 2005 15:00  

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